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GrokLaw Does Book Reviews


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By ColonelZen, Section Logbooks
Posted on Mon Nov 8th, 2004 at 16:14:24 EST

GL contributor "Nick" reviews The Wisdom of Crowds ..." by James Surowiecki. It's impossible to judge an idea fairly from a book review by someone of questonable competance in the subject matter but even discarding his gushing enthusiasm this sounds like a believe-it-to-see-it idea.

Certainly in a large number of people there will be numerous and varied idealizations including some from non-experts whose views on a new question may give insight which experts, similarly trained by virtue of their expertise and likely to attack a particular problem from similar but not always optimal vantage, may not have considered. The "wisdom" in the situations described in the review is actually that of the coordinator who decides to seek a wider view in the first place and sets up workable means to filter and collate those views into a discrete answer.

I would like to see a more critical review of this book before deciding to invest my time in reading it.

-- TWZ

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Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews (3.71 / 7) (#2)
by groendraak (nil mortifi sine lucre) on Mon Nov 8th, 2004 at 17:25:14 EST
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I voted for this to be posted on the front page, but this was done more to see a wider reaction from the group than necessarily agreeing with the post.  That vote of course could be a moot issue as I am not sure if the vote took... cookies are better when they are served with milk and they act as they should

What did I disagree with?

I think Nick, as a (possibly) non-professional book reviewer did as good a job as most book reviewers out there.  If the purpose was for me to decide whether I should buy the book or not, he definitely succeeded in grabbing my attention. I agree with Heimdal31 that the gushing enthuisiasm was only to be expected on a biased forum (as this forum definitely is as well)

Further I would not be surprised if the hidden message that a good coordinator is vital for a group with "wisdom" was welcomed at GL.  I could not blame PJ for this, should it be true. I personally would love to be spoken of in the same breath as Linus, which some people do with PJ nowadays

Lastly, to be honest, I would rather read the book than see a competing review. If something has been pre-digested for me, it tends to lose its spice. This of course is just IMO. Once I have seen a movie trailer the probability that I would watch the movie decreases. (I don't get out much)

What did I agree with on your post?

The wisdom lies with the coordinator.  I think this will easily be missed by certain audience members.  You can have all the opinions/analyses/guestimates in the world, but for a problem to be resolved, somebody has to use the information and take action.  I would probably buy the book just to get to that Submarine story and see how big a role hindsight played in it. (It still took HOW MANY months to find it?? the damn thing was 21 yards away)

Aside

That is one reason why I am sceptical about the longevity/usefulness of this website.  Let's imagine someone publishes the answer to all patent concerns worldwide here. Lets imagine it happens to be the ultimate win-win solution (with a step by step plan to make it easy for idiots).  Will anyone benefit? Not sure. Is it worth trying anyway? Here my emotional response is yes and my analytical brain is trying to remind me of that great trailer for Shark Tale that I saw recently...

My 0.02 cents (Zimbabwean).  Of course my opinion is worth very little on this matter, but there it is anyway.

Groendraak

  • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by ColonelZen, 11/09/2004 13:42:15 EST (4.00 / 4)
    • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by groendraak, 11/11/2004 17:54:47 EST (3.66 / 3)
Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews (3.60 / 5) (#1)
by heimdal31 (heimdal31_ip_warsNO@SPAM.threenorth.com) on Mon Nov 8th, 2004 at 16:32:21 EST
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I would like to see a more critical review of this book before deciding to invest my time in reading it.

I don't know, Colonel.  I have to admit I was intrigued.  Of course,you are unlikely to get a bad review on Groklaw (or here, for that matter) for a book which says the unwashed masses are better at coming up with the right answer than individual analysts.

I'd think if the fiaSCO of SCO has proved anything it has proved that premise--or perhaps it has merely proved the premise that "most experts aren't."

Either way, I think you can see the roots of this idea in the trial by jury system common in many countries.  The idea there being that a group of common people when offered the help of experts via testimony are more likely to get at the truth than a group of experts, whether that be experts at law or some other area, are.

Whether true or not, I find it a rather hopeful idea.

---Tim Rushing

  • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by ColonelZen, 11/08/2004 20:14:18 EST (4.00 / 3)
    • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by heimdal31, 11/09/2004 09:53:52 EST (4.00 / 3)
      • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by ColonelZen, 11/09/2004 13:56:49 EST (4.00 / 3)
        • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by heimdal31, 11/09/2004 14:32:15 EST (4.00 / 3)
    • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by ot hstoop, 11/11/2004 16:33:14 EST (4.00 / 4)
  • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by ColonelZen, 11/08/2004 20:09:16 EST (1.33 / 3)
    • Re: GrokLaw Does Book Reviews by mikey, 11/09/2004 21:01:22 EST (none / 2)
Re: Other Reviews (3.33 / 3) (#3)
by DirtyDriver (superdave c/o allthegooddomainnamesweretakenexcept) on Mon Nov 8th, 2004 at 19:21:26 EST
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Another review that I recall from last summer:

http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2004/commentary040624SM.htm

I haven't gone back to compare the review on GL yet, but after re-reading the Fool review, some of the language seems strangely familiar, in particular the jelly bean jar example.

thisone.com

  • Re: Other Reviews by DirtyDriver, 11/08/2004 19:34:47 EST (3.33 / 3)
  • Re: Other Reviews by ColonelZen, 11/08/2004 19:33:46 EST (none / 2)
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